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Brought to you by Nell Rafalovich, PA-C of Maple Street Clinic, Health Expert

Summer Skin Care

Nell Rafalovich, PA-COregonians love to go outside. We bike, hike, rock climb and ski. As soon as the sun comes out, we pare down our clothing and get out in it! We seek that healthy, tanned look. But, did you know that Oregon has one of the highest skin cancer rates in the nation? In our state, 2200 people are diagnosed with skin cancer every year; of those, 150 die. Melanoma is now one of the leading causes of cancer deaths in young women and children who get a sunburn are more likely to develop melanoma later in life. What is an active, outdoor loving Oregonian to do?

The very best way to avoid skin cancer is to use sun protection. Nell Rafalovich, PA-C, of the Maple Street Clinic recommends that you apply a broad spectrum sunscreen with a minimum 15 SPF 15-20 minutes prior to exposure and every 2 hours after. If you are outside a lot or are participating in sports you should use a SPF 30 sunscreen.

There are other ways to avoid exposure besides sunscreen, including wearing a hat, sunglasses and protective clothing. Stay in the shade between 10:00 am and 4:00 p.m. and remember that water, snow and sand reflect the sun. For children under 6 months the American Academy of Pediatrics recommends avoiding the use of sunscreen altogether, so make sure your baby is covered, wears a hat, and sunglasses.

Early detection is the key to the successful treatment for skin cancer. Have a yearly skin check performed by your PCP or a dermatologist. Do monthly checks at home, inspecting every inch of skin. If you find a suspicious spot, especially in a high exposure area, make an appointment to see your health care provider.






Brought to you by Scott Palmer, Theatre Expert

So Much More Than Entertainment


Scott PalmerOver the past nine years, Bag&Baggage has presented a wide range of theatrical productions: from the familiar (Steel Magnolias, Crimes of the Heart, Dial M For Murder) the to obscure (Our Country’s Good, Coriolanus, and The Six Gentlepersons of Verona), all with a commitment to high production values, compelling story-telling, and the very best acting talent in the region. But B&B’s work is about so much more than entertainment; in fact, we believe that theatre can (and should) ask our community important questions about our past and our future. Who are we? Where do we come from? Who do we want to be? What does our future hold?

 During the 2016-2017 Season, we will continue this commitment to combining the very best in theatrical entertainment with provocative social exploration. Over the coming months, B&B will look at our past via the Pacific Northwest premiere of The Graduate, based on the hit novel and movie from the 1960s, and explore the very beginnings of the sexual revolution and America’s counter culture. In October, we will present a recent hit from Canada, The Drowning Girls, based on a horrific series of murders from England in the late 1800s and a show that questions how our judicial system treats crimes of passion and domestic violence. Our holiday show, Parfumerie, is a delightful romantic comedy set in 1930s Budapest, and celebrates the power of love, forgiveness, and hope. As a theatre company, we take our work very seriously. Not only in the quality of the performances we present, but also in the questions and issues we choose to explore.

We are so proud to do this work for our community, and invite everyone who has an interest in both live theatre and the future of our community to join us for a season of provocative and highly entertaining work. We hope to see everyone at a show.






Brought to you by Dr. Scott Hein,PT, DPT

Meet the staff at Therapeutic Associates Forest Grove Physical Therapy.

Dr. Scott Hein, PT, DPTOur physical therapists and front-office staff maintain a high standard of care, which allows patients to better understand their condition, the expectations of their rehabilitation, and how long it will take to reach their goals.

Therapeutic Associates Forest Grove Physical Therapy is a warm, friendly clinic that values one-on-one personal interactions with each patient. We treat everyone with respect and pride ourselves on the skilled care of our well-trained manual therapists. Treatment plans target each patient’s needs and are developed based on individual goals. We create a welcoming, comfortable environment where patients are able to establish a sincere connection with their therapist.

Conveniently located on the corner of Pacific avenue and Elm street, two blocks from Pacific University, our physical therapy services include treatment of arthritis, neck and back care, TMJ and headache treatment, orthopedic and sports therapy, ASTYM, post-surgical rehab, aquatic therapy,  women’s health, and work conditioning.

We are committed to our community and regularly provide support and sponsorship of Pacific University and Forest Grove High School athletics. We believe in doing our part in assisting and educating our patients and community members to allow them to maintain healthy and active lifestyles.

For this first column we introduce Scott Hein, Doctor of Physical Therapy:  Though Scott is the clinic manager, he spends the majority of his time treating patients and has been doing so in Forest Grove since 2007. Scott has felt connected to the community of FG since his time as a student at Pacific and appreciates the small-town feel that FG offers as he was born and raised less than a half-hour from his clinic. In his free time, he enjoys spending time with family, boating, water skiing, hiking, camping, and music.


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Brought to you by Janet Peters, Insurance Expert.

Janet PetersIn 2015 Forest Fires destroyed thousands of homes in the Pacific Northwest, many in Oregon, and this year’s wildfire season is predicted to pose a substantial threat across the state. Is your home insured in case of forest fire? Are the contents of your home and landscaping covered by your policy? What if your car is destroyed by flood or landslide?

All these questions, and any more that you have about your coverage in case of a catastrophic event can be answered by Janet Peters, your local Allstate agent. Janet has a wide range of expertise in insuring your home and autos and can advise you if your home is near a flood plain, for example, or if there have been forest fires in your area in the past. She will be able to help you get the coverage you need to protect your assets.

And if such a thing should happen she will be there to help with claims, “In fact,” Janet says “Allstate’s outstanding financial strength and superior claims service received an A+ (Superior) rating by A.M. Best. Quality service, strength and satisfaction – that’s something I’m glad to be a part of.”

Stop in or call Janet today for help with all your insurance questions, “I’m committed to helping you protect what you have today and prepare for tomorrow.”





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Brought to you by Kevin Kuntz, Heating and Cooling Expert

Kenin KuntzWhy isn't my air conditioning keeping me cool enough?

We’re officially into the summer months! That means that residents of the Pacific Northwest will be seeing some hot days in the next several weeks. If your air conditioning isn’t keeping you cool enough, there may be something going wrong with it. Here are some potential reasons.

#1: The outdoor unit is dirty. Outdoor HVAC systems need to be cleaned regularly. If not, debris and dirt will collect on the surface as well as the internal components and this could cause issues with efficiency.

#2: You need a new air filter. Did you know that you need to change the air filter in your HVAC system every one or two months? If you aren’t, the filter will have buildup of dirt, dander, and debris and this means the airflow could be slowed down and dirty air filters cause debris and dirt to enter your home.

#3: Your unit is the wrong size. Your HVAC unit will only be efficient if it’s the right size for your home. If you have a small unit, you can’t expect it to cool the entire house. We’ll be happy to take a look at your current system to see if it is the right size to keep you cool and comfortable everywhere.

With summer in full swing, it’s time to get your air conditioner replaced so you can stay comfortable for the remainder of the summer months. Call us today to have our team of experts look at your HVAC system and see what’s going on with it. If you need repairs, we can do that for you at a fair price. If you need a completely new system, we can provide you some options that won’t stretch your pocketbook too much.






Brought to you by Barb Colter, Health Care Expert

The statistic surrounding men’s health are alarming.

On average, men die earlier than women. They are more likely to die from all leading causes of death – including cancer, heart disease and diabetes. Approximately 230,000 men are diagnosed with -- and 30,000 men die from -- prostate cancer annually in the U.S. Each year 24,000 depressed men and boys take their own lives. Overall, suicide is the eighth-leading cause of death for males, and third for young men ages 15-24.

Fortunately, these worrisome statistics may be turned around. June is Men’s Health Month, which aims to create awareness of men’s health issues and to encourage early detection and treatment.

One of the more unique challenges men face is their reluctance to seek health care. However, many health risks may actually be prevented and treated with earlier diagnosis. Screening tests often find diseases early, when they are easier to treat. It is crucial that men go against their tendency to avoid health care and get regular checkups and screenings.  

Men’s health issues don’t affect only men – they have a significant impact on their family and friends, too. At Maple Street Clinic, we encourage men and their families to continually discover ways they may improve their health.

To get on the road to wellness, it is important to make a few simple lifestyle changes like eating healthy - including saying yes to breakfast, committing to exercise by choosing activities that are enjoyable to stay motivated, and making prevention a priority - see your medical provider for an age-appropriate checkup and screening.

Brought to you by Todd Barth, Senior Care expert

Todd Barth, Senior Care Expert

Falls are the No. 1 reason that seniors end up in the hospital. In fact, 33 percent of all hospital visits are caused by falls and accidents at home.

Many falls are preventable. Exercise can help reduce the risk of falls by improving strength, balance, coordination and flexibility. With a doctors’ permission, encourage your loved one to enjoy activities like walking, water workouts or Tai Chi. Simple chair exercises and stretches can also provide benefits.

Physical therapy is another option for seniors who avoid physical activity because they are afraid to fall. A therapist can create a custom exercise program aimed at improving balance, flexibility, muscle strength and gait.

Also, be mindful of medications. Some medicines – or combinations of medicines – can cause adverse side effects like dizziness or drowsiness, which make the likelihood of a fall greater. Ask a doctor or pharmacist to review medications to reduce the risk.

“Home Instead Senior Care was birthed to serve seniors by our founders caring for their own Grandmother,” said Todd Barth, owner of the Hillsboro Home Instead franchise. “Our franchise and personal mission is to provide compassionate care and inspiration to our local seniors.”

Our goal is to keep seniors safe at home. Through our safety program, available at no charge to all seniors, our care consultants can help you and the senior you love identify safety and care needs in the home. Call today for a free consultation, 503-530-1527.

Linda Baker, Holistic Healing Insider

Linda Baker, Holistic Healing InsiderIf you are looking for empowerment, Sacred Light Academy, located at RoseSprings Center, 5215 N.E. Elam Young Parkway, in Hillsboro, offers sacred knowledge, tools and guidance to manifest the life that you desire. The courses presented are based on ancient wisdom and spiritual truths that respond to the laws of the Universe.

The secret to changing your life is knowing the rules that govern the universal laws of creation (life) and know-how to apply these teachings, so that you can create the changes you desire. It is a bit like a video game, if you don't know the rules or how to navigate it, you are not likely to get to the next level with ease. However, with the understanding of the nature of the game and a few hacks, tricks and tips, you can conquer it with ease and flow.

The journey to empowerment is a personal experience that can be reached from diverse paths or studies. At Sacred Light Academy, you will find something that resonates with your spiritual tradition. Astrology, Energy Healing, Mediumship, Movement, New Consciousness, Shamanism -- we also offer ongoing introductory classes that may help you find your passion and path, while making new friends.

We like to have fun, share stories, and sometimes simply engage our creative side, like our Kombucha and Canvas Paint Nite, or Ecstatic Dance nights. For more information or to contact us, visit our website:

Join in community with like-minded people!







Brought to you by Victoria and Chris Garfield of John L. Scott Market Center

Victoria and Chris GarfieldHousing prices in Forest Grove have risen 15% over the last year, with an average 3 bedroom home selling for near $300,000. Add a desperately low inventory of homes and it’s a seller’s market. You may have received a phone call from a Portland realtor asking if you would like to list your home with them. Perhaps your interest has been piqued. How much is my home worth? What would I be able to afford in a replacement home? Is now the time to get that troublesome rental off my hands?

Before you talk to a realtor from Portland, who doesn’t know this area and is interested only in a sale, Victoria and Chris Garfield of John L. Scott Market Center invite you to talk to them first.

“I have always been driven to focus on community itself,” Chris says. “We are client centered – it is less about the home sale than the circumstances of our clients.” John L. Scott Market Center has the most knowledgeable, long term and successful realtors who live right here in Forest Grove. “Many of our agents are multi-generational, being even more rooted in the community.”

If a phone call has triggered your interest in selling your home, Chris says, “Call us, we will take care of you.”

Brought to you by Nate Boyd, Fitness Insider

Nate BoydIt is air conditioned! Work out and stay cool.

Summertime means ice-cream runs, smoothies to cool off and fruity drinks by the pool. By working out in the summer, you can enjoy these treats without stressing about your body. You don’t want to lose all the fitness and hard work you've acquired throughout the year, and a workout will keep you on track.

You will look great in a swimming suit! Show off the muscles you are building this summer.

Strength training can also improve a person’s mental health, reducing depression and improving sleep quality. Look good and feel better, too!

Stay younger! As a person ages, metabolism naturally slows down, leading to gradual weight gain. Muscle is a great way to counterbalance the body’s natural slowdown, and the earlier a person starts, the easier it will be to maintain that muscle over time.

During the summer months, gyms are vacated while people head outdoors for exercise, but it’s just as important as ever to lift and tone during the warm months as it is during the cold. The Gym is emptier in the summer, so grab the advantage. Also, no morning trips to the gym in the dark.

Special prices, including The Gym’s 99 days for 99 dollars! As an esteemed patron of the Gym says, “Why weight? Because there is seven days of weak."

Brought to you by by Janet Peters, Insurance Insider

Janet Peters, Insurance InsiderSpring thaws, heavy rains, hurricanes and the rapid accumulation of rain after a wildfire can cause a flood. And, while certain areas are prone to flooding, it can happen anywhere and at any time. According to HYPERLINK "", floods are the No. 1 natural disaster in the United States. "Anywhere it rains, it can flood," the federal government-run site declares.

So, are you prepared? Beyond readying your home and developing a family emergency plan, being prepared for a flood means understanding a bit about insurance.

Not everyone understands the need for a separate flood policy. Research shows that there's a common misconception that homeowners insurance covers flood damage when it typically doesn't. "Some people believe flood is part of their standard homeowners policy and, sadly, don't realize they need a separate flood policy until it's too late," said Mark Green, a senior vice president at Allstate.

Most important is the fact that a standard homeowners insurance policy typically doesn't cover flood damage. And because floods can occur anywhere, you should strongly consider purchasing a separate National Flood Insurance Program (NFIP) flood policy through an insurance agent. Costs for flood insurance will vary depending on how much coverage you buy, what the policy covers (does it just cover the structure? the contents of your home?) and your property's flood risk. Contact Janet to assess your flood risk and learn more about flood insurance.

Brought to you by Holly Witte

Holly WitteFor as many Tasting Rooms as there are in Oregon, that’s probably how many styles of Tasting experiences there are! What are you hoping for in a Tasting visit? Are there things you should keep in mind? We think so.

The more wine you taste, the less you can actually taste it. After a while, your taste buds get a little fuzzy and your head might, too. Tasting should give you a great opportunity to sample wines might be unusual or just excellent examples of wines you already know you like. You want to be able to experience them and remember them.

We hope we are one of only two or, tops, three wineries you might visit in a day. We do love the big event weekends, of course, because so many people come out to celebrate our beautiful wine country even though we don’t get to spend a lot of time with each visitor. For a festive experience – and you have a designated driver – by all means head out on the big weekends.

Tasting on the weekends is always fun and you never know who you might meet at the bar!

If meeting the winemaker and a more personal experience is up your alley, check to see if there are private tastings available. We are open for everyone on weekends and also schedule private tastings on Tuesday – Thursday. Call us and we’ll tailor a visit so you have the best of times and taste great wine!

Forest Grove's Sports

July 20, 2016

Forest Grove High names seven new Hall of Fame inductees

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The Forest Grove High School Athletic Hall of Fame has a new group of Class of 2015 inductee selections. They include: George Simmons,…
July 14, 2016

Changes to high school baseball aimed at safety for pitchers

by Wade Evanson
High school baseball rules now will require a pitching restriction based on the number of pitches thrown in a game, under new…
July 13, 2016

'Your' Blazers? I wonder, after TV contract announcement

by Wade Evanson
Last week, the Portland Trail Blazers announced they’d reached an agreement with NBC Sports Group, which owns Comcast Sports Net…

July 11, 2016

Forest Grove High names seven new Hall of Fame inductees

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The Forest Grove High School Athletic Hall of Fame has a new group of Class of 2015 inductee selections. They include: George Simmons,…
July 06, 2016

Show me your effort; I'm ready to report back

by Wade Evanson
My name is Wade Evanson and I’m the new sports editor for the Forest Grove News-Times and Hillsboro Tribune. As a longtime resident of…
July 06, 2016

In Brief

by Pamplin Media Group
Viking Vengeance set July 21 The annual Viking Vengeance 10K run, 5K run and walk and Kids' Run is set for Thursday, July 21. It's a…
COURTESY PHOTO: PATRICIA GARNER - Gaston Greyhound Lil Guy Baseball includes (back row, left to right): Coach Brian Wilhelm, Jaden Clark, Brandon Clowdus, Johnmichael Garner, Mike Howard, Dylan Tallent, Zaden Wilhelm and Randy Hoodenpyl. Front row, left to right are: Aiden Breidenbach, Tristan Still, Blake Moler, Brenden Wiggins, Jaden Dolan, Luke Brewer, Nathan Beck and Justin Aurthor.
June 29, 2016

Gaston Lil Guy baseball heads to state playoffs

by The News-Times
Twelve-year-old Johnmichael Garner was on the mound Sunday, June 26, to pitch the Gaston Greyhound Lil Guy Baseball Team to third…
NEWS-TIMES PHOTO: CHASE ALLGOOD - Irina and Pavel Shabalin coach four-year-old Fedia Shabalin though the swimming portion of SHARCs Try-athlon, part of the second annual SHARC Fest and Safety Expo.
June 29, 2016

Giving three sports a TRY

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SHARC Fest and Safety Expo draws 75 to run, bike, swim Hillsboro’s second annual family TRY-athlon — called SHARC Fest — drew about 75…
NEWS-TIMES PHOTO: CHASE ALLGOOD - Sunny weather smiled down on swimmers in the 800-meter, 2,000-meter and 4,000-meter events at Hagg Lake last weekend.
June 22, 2016

Triathlon club DIVES IN

by Ryan Lackey
Annual Hagg Lake Swim attracts world-class, casual swimmers Having swum across both the English and Catalina Channels and…
NEWS-TIMES PHOTO: CHASE ALLGOOD - Outfielder Anfernee Grier was the Diamondbacks top overall selection in this years draft.
June 22, 2016

New stars, familiar faces greet fans at Hops opener

by Ryan Lackey
Top pick Anfernee Grier a million-dollar man for local team this year The Hillsboro Hops have their million-dollar man. As they begin…
June 22, 2016

Palmer: 'Going to miss you guys'

by Zack Palmer
This kind of column can sometimes come off as a bit cheesy — small-town sports writer bids farewell to his old stomping ground,…
June 22, 2016

Summer tennis clinics

by Pamplin Media Group
"Tennis In The Grove" started Monday, June 20, and will run for five weeks from 3 to 5 p.m. Monday through Friday at Forest Grove High…
June 22, 2016

Sports editor bids readers, papers farewell

by Amanda Miles
I really dislike goodbyes. I wrote a column like this almost six years ago, when, after a brief stint at the News-Times, I headed off…
June 17, 2016

Multi-sport standouts shine for Vikings, Braves

by Amanda Miles
Taylor Jensen and Twister McComas pile up a slew of awards and honors These two will go down as two of the all-time greats at their…
June 17, 2016

Braves double down with two titles

by Amanda Miles
Banks volleyball and softball share our Team of the Year award after each winning a Class 4A state championship As if we could really…
NEWS-TIMES PHOTO: ZACK PALMER - Forest Grove's Murimi Nyamu runs in the boys 1,500 meters at the Class 6A state track and field meet at Hayward Field in Eugene last month. Nyamu enjoyed one of the best seasons in school history for distance runners
June 17, 2016

Nyamu enjoys superb senior season

by Amanda Miles
Murimi Nyamu cements his legacy as one of Forest Grove's all-time great distance runners At a school that regularly churns out quality…
June 17, 2016

Roberts ends Pacific career on high note

by Amanda Miles
Rachel Roberts gets a slew of postseason awards as a senior Rachel Roberts has achieved just about everything a college softball…
June 17, 2016

New faces abound on sidelines for Gaston

by Amanda Miles
Greyhounds welcome several new coaches during school year The 2015-16 school year was one of change for Gaston athletics. All three…
June 17, 2016

Plenty to celebrate for Vikings

by Amanda Miles
State placers and playoff qualifiers highlight a great year at Forest Grove The cross-country teams have long been two of Forest…
June 17, 2016

Partain leaves her mark at Banks

by Amanda Miles
Banks senior MaKenna Partain caps an illustrious career with state titles You’d be hard-pressed to find one better than MaKenna…

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Jun 17, 2016

Pacific athletes pick up national accolades

by Amanda Miles
Spring sports season provides plenty of reasons for the Boxers to get excited One needn’t look any further than Forest Grove to find…
Jun 17, 2016

Braves get to celebrate a great year for sports

by Amanda Miles
Banks teams provide several memorable accompishments This school year was a great one for Banks boys sports. Both the football and…
Jun 08, 2016

In Brief

by Pamplin Media Group
Roberts picks up another award Pacific senior Rachel Roberts continues to accumulate hardware at the end of her sensational softball…
Jun 08, 2016

Estacada stuns Banks with ninth-inning rally

by Amanda Miles
Rangers score five times in the ninth to beat the Braves 8-3 in the 4A semifinals HILLSBORO — If you looked at the score alone, you…
Jun 08, 2016

Braves well-represented on Cowapa League all-star squad

by Amanda Miles
Another excellent spring on the softball diamond yields a bounty of postseason awards and honors It takes a whole bunch of players to…
NEWS-TIMES PHOTO: AMANDA MILES - Banks celebrates their state softball victory.
Jun 05, 2016

Braves raise another trophy

by Amanda Miles
Banks captures its third softball state title in five seasons with a 5-2 win over McLoughlin CORVALLIS — Banks softball has been…
NEWS-TIMES PHOTO: KENT FRASURE - Banks gets fired up during their 7-3 win over Scappoose Tuesday
Jun 01, 2016

Partain's home runs help lift Banks softball past Scappoose in 4A state semis

by Amanda Miles
Braves will tangle with McLoughin in Saturday's championship final The Braves keep writing a similar story each year, just with…
Jun 01, 2016

Local track athletes compete at Division III national meet

by Amanda Miles
Three participants earn All-American honors at the meet Four track and field athletes from western Washington County proved themselves…
Jun 01, 2016

In Brief

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Gaston softball falls in playoffs Gaston played its way into the Class 2A/1A softball state playoffs with a 6-2 victory over…
NEWS-TIMES PHOTO: AMANDA MILES - Dalton Renne winds up for a pitch during Banks' 7-3 victory against Elmira in Hillsboro during the Class 4A quarterfinals.
May 31, 2016

Banks baseball makes early lead hold up against Elmira

by Amanda Miles
Braves win, 7-3, to advance to 4A semifinals HILLSBORO – With every passing day, it seems, the Banks baseball team aligns itself even…
TIMES PHOTO: MILES VANCE - Westview's Luke Pilat and the second-ranked Wildcats host No. 10 West Salem in the Class 6A state quarterfinals at 5 p.m. Friday at Westview High School on Friday.
May 27, 2016

Check out the baseball and softball playoff games we'll cover for May 27

by Miles Vance
Now it gets real. With the state's best high school baseball and softball teams moving into state quarterfinals today, it really is…
NEWS-TIMES PHOTO: AMANDA MILES - Banks third baseman Alyssa Rogers makes a throw to first base during the Braves' 5-1 victory over Ontario on Friday in Hillsboro.
May 28, 2016

New look, same old Banks softball in Class 4A quarterfinals

by Amanda Miles
Braves down Ontario, 5-1, to advance to fifth straight semis appearance HILLSBORO – By the way the Braves played on Friday, you would…